democracy in action -- NOT !!!

[Peacemonger]

DETROIT, MI - Less than 44 hours after NBC sent a congratulatory note and an invitation to Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich to participate in the Jan. 15 Democratic Presidential debate in Las Vegas, the network notified the campaign this morning it was changing its announced criteria, rescinding its invitation, and excluding Kucinich from the debate.

NBC Political Director Chuck Todd notified the Kucinich campaign this morning that, although Kucinich had met the qualification criteria publicly announced on December 28, the network was "re-doing" the criteria, excluding Kucinich, and planning to invite only Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and former senator John Edwards.

The criteria announced last month included a fourth-place or better showing in a national poll. The USA/Gallup poll earlier this month showed Kucinich in fourth place among the Democratic contenders.

In an email to the Kucinich campaign at 2:35 p.m. on Wednesday, January 9, Democratic Party debates consultant Jenny Backus wrote:

"Congratulations on another hard-fought contest. Now that New Hampshire is over, we are on to Nevada and our Presidential Debate on Tuesday January 15. This letter serves as an official invitation for your candidate to participate in the Nevada Presidential Debate at Cashman Theatre in downtown Las Vegas. You have met the criteria set by NBC and the Debate."

Todd notified the Kucinich campaign this morning that the network had decided to change the criteria and limit participation in the debate to only three candidates.

Kucinich is the only remaining Democratic Presidential candidate who: voted against the original Iraq War authorization in 2002 and every war-funding measure since; voted against the so-called Patriot Act; advocates a national, not-for-profit health system that covers all Americans; has called for the repeal of NAFTA and withdrawal from the WTO; and proposes a national back-to-work program (Works Green Administration) patterned after the Depression-era Works Progress Administration (WPA).

The Kucinich campaign, which filed an emergency complaint with the Federal Communications Commission last week because of ABC's decision to exclude the candidate from a nationally televised debate, is considering legal action to address "the blatant disregard of the public interest in silencing public debate that dissents with the views of NBC, its parent company, GE, and all of the military contractors and their candidate-funding corporate interests. Corporate control of the media is one issue. Corporate media control of the information that is allowed to reach American citizens is much more dangerous, much more sinister, and much more un-American."

"When 'big media' exert their unbridled control over what Americans can see, hear, and read, then the Constitutional power and right of the citizens to vote is being vetoed by multi-billion corporations that want the votes to go their way," the Kucinich campaign said.

[hwmnbn]

This fucking sucks!!

Changing the rules in the middle of the game is bullshit. Dennis is the one candidate who most closely expresses my views and he's just being marginalized arbitrarily.

I realize this is big-time politics, but it's just not right. I doubt the other dem candidates will do much to help Dennis out on this, why should they demand fair treatment for him? It's not in their interest.

As much as I want to believe in idealism, this type of shit makes it hard.

[Panagiotis]

Real democracy is non-existent, I think we can agree on that. Now if by democracy we mean neo-liberal capitalism combined with less than half the population exiting their homes once every four years to go and put a piece of paper into a box, then democracy is triumphing!

In a few words, democracy: "you can say whatever you want, but we will make sure nobody gets to hear you."

[Peacemonger]

It goes to prove the old axiom -- if at first you can't succeed, CHEAT!

They won the first round in Iowa, where Dennis was not even on the ballot. And they won the second round in New Hampshire by cheating. First of all, they conned a lot of people into believing that Dennis had withdrawn from the race and that there were only four democratic candidates still in the running. But that wasn't enough. There was a large disparity between the exit polls and the computer-counted electronic ballots. The disparity was enough so that if it happened in any other country, it would have been undeniable proof of election rigging. But in the United States? Naw. Could never happen in the US, could it.

Even having kept him down in New Hampshire, GE, Disney, and the other corporations who control the media are still scared as hell that word will seep out that Dennis is still in the race, and worse yet (for the plutocrats), the people will actually learn what it is that Dennis Kucinich stands for. They are so damned scared that they feel they have to continue cheating.

Think of it. Walt Disney Productions. The same people who did everything in their power to prevent Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911 from ever reaching the theaters. The movie that exposed all the Bush family connections to the Saudi royal family, including the bin Ladens. Why ever would they want to cheat?

And GE. One of the largest weapons contractors in the world. Can anyone imagine why they might be scared as hell of a person like Dennis Kucinich? (Hint: its a no-brainer.) And which candidates would a weapons manufacturer be more likely to support? (Hint: ditto.)

[Panagiotis]

They are so damned scared that they feel they have to continue cheating.

I don't think anybody is scared. I Don't want to seem too cynical, but the status quo has been set, sometiems I feel as if the battle is lost. Get used to seeing "change" candidates like Obama from now on.

[hwmnbn]

Dennis may be back in! Judge says if he ain't in, ain't nobody in!! Bwahahahaha!! Let's see how this plays out.

Judge Grants Kucinich Entry to NV Debate

January 14, 2008 06:26 PM EST

LAS VEGAS — A Nevada judge said Monday that Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich must be included in Tuesday's candidates' debate in Nevada.

Senior Clark County District Court Judge Charles Thompson said if Kucinich is excluded, he'll issue an injunction stopping the televised debate.

The judge sided with a lawyer for the Ohio congressman, who says debate host MSNBC at first invited Kucinich to take part and then told him last week he couldn't.

A lawyer for the network said MSNBC decided to go with the top three candidates after the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries.

The judge called it a matter of fairness and said Nevada voters will benefit if they hear from more than just Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards.

The cable network and the Democratic Party are calling the 9 p.m. EST debate a chance to hear issues from Nevada's minority communities. Tim Russert and Brian Williams are moderating.

[rightiswrong]

They are so damned scared that they feel they have to continue cheating.

I don't think anybody is scared. I Don't want to seem too cynical, but the status quo has been set, sometiems I feel as if the battle is lost. Get used to seeing "change" candidates like Obama from now on.

Obama and Clinton are not change candidates, they are both being supported by the DLC re: Republican-lites.
Edwards is being deliberately left out by the scumbag Corporate Media because he made a promise to the citizens to return the power stolen by the Corporate Elite.

[Peacemonger]

Chalk one up for free speech! But it won't bring back the lost ground in New Hampshire. I am not saying he would have come it first in New Hampshire if it had not been for the exclusion, but probably would have scored better than he did. And of course both the Iowa debate as well as New Hampshire were televised nationwide, so it is not merely a matter of any particular state.

But what is more, even the TV forums when the have allowed him in, they hardly let him talk. This has been the case right from the outset, and knowing this, he has learned to make every second count. I guess that is why they eventually decided to exclude him altogether.

But whether a person is a Kucinich backer or not, the question is much bigger. If weapons manufacturers and other corporate interests are allowed to decide who gets to be heard and who doesn't, the results could be only one thing: PLUTOCRACY!

There is an online petition to for taking our country back at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/2008Debates/index.html

[rightiswrong]

Signed, everyone needs to sign that one.

Thanks, Peacemonger.

[Ziggy]

This is not right at all. I'm an Edwards supporter but everyones voice should be heard and to invite him then un-invite him thats just inexcusable. Kucinich and Edwards are the only true liberal in the contest and they want to muzzle both of them, your right. thats not democracy.

[English Nick]

Chalk one up for free speech!

Rub out that chalk mark, the Nevada Supreme Court overturned the decision.

[rightiswrong]

Chalk one up for free speech!

Rub out that chalk mark, the Nevada Supreme Court overturned the decision.

First The US Supreme Court appoints a president, now a state Supreme Court decides who the candidates will be. This is fascism, the voters no longer have a voice, the Corporations will rule and they will use the courts as their tool of oppression.

The American experiment in Government of the People, by the People, for the People has officially been canceled. Everyone return to your business, nothing to see here, move along. We have assumed control, we have assumed control.

[Bammo]

This is not right at all. I'm an Edwards supporter but everyones voice should be heard and to invite him then un-invite him thats just inexcusable. Kucinich and Edwards are the only true liberal in the contest and they want to muzzle both of them, your right. thats not democracy.

Hey Ziggy, whats your take on ilegal immigration?
This below is a real Ace-Hole's (Acebass) view, and this azz wipe is supposed (yeah sure) to be a liberal, staunch democrat, and big time Edwards supporter, if one can believe that. Oh yeah, forgot Ziggy, he claims to be a Vietnam veteran as well. Life is full of humor, some which is made of plain lies lke this Ace-Hole (Acebass) loves to spread.

Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/1 ... 77502.html

Acebass

I am very disturbed by the tone of this article. It is not anti-immigration it's anti-illegal-immigration. Illegal immigrants are trying to take advantage of this by re-frameing the debate.When someone buys a nice home next to you, doesn't speak your language and proceeds to trash what was once a beautiful home and you don't want your property values affected. Thats not prejudice. When they raise 10 chickens next door to you on a city lot and you get mad, thats not prejudice. When your new neighbors uses your drive way to park in their yard trashing not only their grass but yours and you do something about it, thats not prejudice.This is an invasion not immigration...
| posted 12:01 pm on 12/19/2007

(This is not what John Edwards stands for - is it?)

This Ace-Hole (Acebass) is a known internet racist Ziggy and was banned from forums for his racial comments. I think I can get the screenshots of this racist in action, if you ever want to see them Ziggy.

[rightiswrong]

This is not right at all. I'm an Edwards supporter but everyones voice should be heard and to invite him then un-invite him thats just inexcusable. Kucinich and Edwards are the only true liberal in the contest and they want to muzzle both of them, your right. thats not democracy.

Hey Ziggy, whats your take on ilegal immigration?
This below is a real Ace-Hole's (Acebass) view, and this azz wipe is supposed (yeah sure) to be a liberal, staunch democrat, and big time Edwards supporter, if one can believe that. Oh yeah, forgot Ziggy, he claims to be a Vietnam veteran as well. Life is full of humor, some which is made of plain lies lke this Ace-Hole (Acebass) loves to spread.

Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/1 ... 77502.html

Acebass

I am very disturbed by the tone of this article. It is not anti-immigration it's anti-illegal-immigration. Illegal immigrants are trying to take advantage of this by re-frameing the debate.When someone buys a nice home next to you, doesn't speak your language and proceeds to trash what was once a beautiful home and you don't want your property values affected. Thats not prejudice. When they raise 10 chickens next door to you on a city lot and you get mad, thats not prejudice. When your new neighbors uses your drive way to park in their yard trashing not only their grass but yours and you do something about it, thats not prejudice.This is an invasion not immigration...
| posted 12:01 pm on 12/19/2007

(This is not what John Edwards stands for - is it?)

This Ace-Hole (Acebass) is a known internet racist Ziggy and was banned from forums for his racial comments. I think I can get the screenshots of this racist in action, if you ever want to see them Ziggy.

Whoa, Whoa Bammo ! What's with the hostility toward our new member, Ziggy? Acebass is well-known to you, don't assume everyone knows who you are are talking about, I do, but Acebass is not a member here, so let it go, save the drama for other boards, not Ava's.

[Peacemonger]

It normally takes years, and sometimes decades, for court cases to move from a district court to Supreme Court. How is it that Kucinich v. General Electric somehow traversed the distance in 24 hours? And the verdict was handed down in favor of GE? Anyone smell a (Mickey) Rat?

Open you window, stick out your head, yell at the top of your lungs,
"I'm as mad as hell, and I am not going to take this anymore!"

And if somebody hears you, and starts yelling likewise, we the people will take back our country.
But if somebody hears you, and calls the cops, and the cops come and take you away, do not despair, we the sheople never had a chance anyway.

[Peacemonger]

PS: to Bammo

The topic here is "democracy in action -- NOT !!!"

please don't change the subject. Write a private message or start a new topic.

[Animal]

Chalk one up for free speech!

Rub out that chalk mark, the Nevada Supreme Court overturned the decision.

First The US Supreme Court appoints a president, now a state Supreme Court decides who the candidates will be. This is fascism, the voters no longer have a voice, the Corporations will rule and they will use the courts as their tool of oppression.

The American experiment in Government of the People, by the People, for the People has officially been canceled. Everyone return to your business, nothing to see here, move along. We have assumed control, we have assumed control.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid it may well take nothing less than a Second Amendment fix to correct what's been happening in this country. Our Founders weren't just talking about hunting or target shooting when they wrote that one.

[rightiswrong]

Chalk one up for free speech!

Rub out that chalk mark, the Nevada Supreme Court overturned the decision.

First The US Supreme Court appoints a president, now a state Supreme Court decides who the candidates will be. This is fascism, the voters no longer have a voice, the Corporations will rule and they will use the courts as their tool of oppression.

The American experiment in Government of the People, by the People, for the People has officially been canceled. Everyone return to your business, nothing to see here, move along. We have assumed control, we have assumed control.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid it may well take nothing less than a Second Amendment fix to correct what's been happening in this country. Our Founders weren't just talking about hunting or target shooting when they wrote that one.

That may be true, but we're not talking about some people armed with single-shot muskets anymore.

[Animal]

Chalk one up for free speech!

Rub out that chalk mark, the Nevada Supreme Court overturned the decision.

First The US Supreme Court appoints a president, now a state Supreme Court decides who the candidates will be. This is fascism, the voters no longer have a voice, the Corporations will rule and they will use the courts as their tool of oppression.

The American experiment in Government of the People, by the People, for the People has officially been canceled. Everyone return to your business, nothing to see here, move along. We have assumed control, we have assumed control.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid it may well take nothing less than a Second Amendment fix to correct what's been happening in this country. Our Founders weren't just talking about hunting or target shooting when they wrote that one.

That may be true, but we're not talking about some people armed with single-shot muskets anymore.

Technical superiority is no guarantee of victory. Look at the Viet Cong. Look at the Iraqi insurgents. Look at what they both were able to accomplish with only assault rifles, rocket launchers, and homemade explosives.

[rightiswrong]

Chalk one up for free speech!

Rub out that chalk mark, the Nevada Supreme Court overturned the decision.

First The US Supreme Court appoints a president, now a state Supreme Court decides who the candidates will be. This is fascism, the voters no longer have a voice, the Corporations will rule and they will use the courts as their tool of oppression.

The American experiment in Government of the People, by the People, for the People has officially been canceled. Everyone return to your business, nothing to see here, move along. We have assumed control, we have assumed control.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid it may well take nothing less than a Second Amendment fix to correct what's been happening in this country. Our Founders weren't just talking about hunting or target shooting when they wrote that one.

That may be true, but we're not talking about some people armed with single-shot muskets anymore.

Technical superiority is no guarantee of victory. Look at the Viet Cong. Look at the Iraqi insurgents. Look at what they both were able to accomplish with only assault rifles, rocket launchers, and homemade explosives.

I'm not referring to the aspect of superiority, it's probably an equal fight given the kind of arms people keep in their homes. What worries me, is we're talking all out melee, not just little skirmishes, the aftermath would be an unbelievably horrible mess, like none seen ever before. The civil war would pale in comparison.